OUTLAW definition according to the Cambridge dictionary: (especially in the past) a person who has broken the law and who lives separately from the other parts of society because they want to escape legal punishment. Ex: Robin Hood was an outlaw who lived in the forest and stole from the rich to give to the poor. Then again, we also have:...
More refined and practical than any previous road-going Ferrari, yet retaining the sporting heritage of its predecessors, the Ferrari 250 GT Coupe Series II is a landmark model of historical significance. Until the late 1950s, Ferrari produced road cars in very limited numbers, usually by request for well-heeled customers. That changed with...
"Turning Points at Porsche. Stymied financially to a worrying extent by the Arab oil price hike of the early 1970s and the subsequent recession, Porsche needed to adapt and – to an extent re-launch... Check out the latest issue (#235) of Total 911 UK, with a new column from Alex Manos from Beverly Hills Car Club. Total...
An absolute classic, the stuff that dreams are made of, one of the most romantic-looking cars ever made, with chrome like a Christmas tree and named after the wealthy Bel Air neighborhood on the Westside of Los Angeles, the 1953 Chevrolet Bel Air Convertible is one of the all-time motoring archetypes, an absolute stunner.
With a top speed of 187 mph and 0-60 mph in a phenomenal 4.2 seconds (and – dig this! - 0-140 mph in 20.1 seconds) this 2008 Porsche Carrera S Coupe 6-Speed is a virtual supercar. It does not seem to be a vehicle for Sunday drivers. But just looking at those figures you want it now!
Such an archetypal symbol of luxury, and also of new beginnings and a new time, the Silver Wraith was the first all-new Rolls-Royce built after the end of World War 2. In 1946, a year after the war had ended, it was in production, and would continue to be until 1958. The use of the arcane Scottish word 'wraith' was in keeping with the established...
''Ferrari: an Italian myth! The history of the prancing horse, among victories, myths and legends of the four wheels. A family that became a racing stable. More than just cars, but luxury instruments created to experience emotions with a load of adrenaline.'Wonderful! In attempting to sum up the archetypal appeal of the very name of Ferrari,...
"Michael Jordan’s 1996 Mercedes-Benz S600 Lorinser will be auctioned off for $23 as a nod to his Chicago Bulls jersey number. The NBA Hall of Famer’s former car is available on Whatnot, a social marketplace for users to buy or sell collectible items."
We're huge fans of both MJ and Mercedes, and were fortunately...
"The Beverly Hills Car Club CEO enthuses about a 964 Carrera 4 widebody, which was part of a new generation of 911 production. Check out issue 234 of Total 911 UK, with a new column from Alex Manos, owner of the Beverly Hills Car Club. Total 911 is the world's only magazine dedicated to the Porsche 911, the iconic sports...
I absolutely adore the Mercedes-Benz 190SL Roadster. Such a lovely car to drive, such sensual and dramatic curves, a perfect work of engineering art. Every time I take one for a spin through Beverly Hills, I watch the heads spin in awe of its beauty, tongues almost literally hanging out in adoration. So much of that 1950s' era, but equally so...
Are you aware that when Japanese cars first appeared on the market in the 1960s, many people considered them an utter joke? 'They are powered by rubber bands,' was a familiar refrain. This was considered as wit – though it may also have contained a tinge of anti-Japanese racism...
What a fabulous collision of two so different cultural attributes do we find in the Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS Aero Coupe. First, there is that name: A clash between the so sophisticated gambling municipality of Monte Carlo in Monaco, so redolent of fabulous wealth, sexy glamour, palm-trees and sunshine; and the giant colossus of...
In 1969 the Chevrolet Chevelle was marketed as 'America's most popular mid-size car.' 'New style, new size, new spirit, and new car!' was another tagline when the Chevelle first emerged in 1964.'Chevelle, the most popular mid-size car there is. The one with friends on both sides of the generation gap!' The car, designed and developed to compete...
In 1972 the car coveted by every Los Angeles record company A & R man was the sexy BMW 2002. One musician they all would have loved to sign to their labels, Bob Marley, would shortly himself become the proud owner of a BMW 2002 – the Rasta legend would claim that BMW stood for Bob Marley and the Wailers...
What an incredible car is this 2010 Rolls-Royce Phantom Drophead Coupe that we have at the moment at Beverly Hills Car Club. Ever since the first model rolled off the production line in 1925, the Rolls-Royce Phantom has been the last word in luxury motoring, used by the rich, famous and powerful around the world. When this car that we have...
The Porsche 911 RS America, a car named after an entire continent, is such a fine example of an air-cooled classic Porsche. A lightened, limited edition, performance version of the venerable Porsche 911 Carrera, it is a car that I have long loved, so tasty, so classy, so power-packed. In fact, the RS America was so named on account of once being...
Inspired by the American Jeep and first launched in 1947 the British Land Rover became one of the world's archetypal motoring images. Capable of traversing the seemingly most impenetrable terrain, able to climb or descend at almost 90 degrees, the original Land Rover seemed something of a miracle vehicle – even if that version was not very...
"Call to mind the image of a wide-bodied 911. There's every chance you're thinking of an outlandish air-cooled racing machine from the 1970s. Or, perhaps, you're salivating over the thought of the Bad Boys 964 Turbo 3.6. Lesser known is the 964 Carrera 4 wide-body, produced in low numbers prior to the arrival of the 993..." Check...
There really is nothing like the Porsche 356A Coupe. So moody, so original, so – excuse me! - classic in its look. It is the subtleties of detail that define so much of what Porsche does. And the subtleties of subsequent changes, frequently almost imperceptible to outsiders. At the beginning of the 1930s Ferdinand Porsche had arrived, but...
Isn't this car sensational? Sensational in its beauty. And in its performance. Just looking at the images of our 1961 Jaguar XK150 is thrillingly exciting, let alone sitting in this gorgeous car behind its long bonnet and turning the ignition key and hearing the sexy rumble of the engine and exhaust. That Cotswold Blue color certainly is all...
Little Red Corvette is that song that made Prince a star. Released in 1983 as a single from the album 1999, it's a breathless ode to casual sex that gave him his first US top 10 hit in 1983 and introduced him to the mainstream. The song was his biggest hit at the time, and his first to reach the top 10 in the US, peaking at number six...
"Driven by a passion for classic cars, Alex Manos has journeyed from the bustling streets of London to the sun-soaked boulevards of Beverly Hills. Today, Manos is the proud owner of the Beverly Hills Car Club, a testament to his unwavering commitment to excellence and the enduring appeal of these iconic vehicles."
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"If you have a collector car or even just expressed interest in the business, then you have almost certainly seen an ad for The Beverly Hills Car Club and probably wondered if they were legitimate. With all the clickbait ads and scammers on the Web, it is with considerable pleasure that I get to write a review of a real, legitimate business...
A most eloquent and elegant pre-World War 2 motor-car indeed is the Rolls-Royce 20/25 Sedanca DeVille, which became the best-selling inter-war Rolls-Royce model. The Rolls-Royce 20/25 Sedanca DeVille was the successor to the Rolls-Royce Twenty. In a contemporary review Autocar magazine observed that the 20/25 possessed 'great refinement of power,...
"The Beverly Hills Car Club CEO Alex Manos comments on the appeal of the 964 Carrera 2 Targa, which helped Porsche weather an economic storm during the early 1990's"
Hot off the presses issue 231 of Total 911 UK, with a new column from Alex Manos, CEO of the Beverly Hills Car Club. Total 911 is the world's only...
How many of you remember the counter-cultural phenomena of the late 1960s, Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In television show? You should, if you were around then: because the Laugh-In (a twist on the hippy concept of the 'Love-In') quickly became the most popular TV show in the United States. From January 22, 1968, to March 12, 1973, on the NBC...
The Rolls-Royce Corniche is a luxury coupe and convertible, produced from 1971 to 1995. It is a two-door five-seater car, with a front-engine and rear wheel drive. An elegant derivative of the Silver Shadow that was built across five generations: Series I (1971-1987), Series II (1986-1989), Series III (1989-1993), Series IV (1992-1995), and...
In January 1886, Carl Benz patented the Benz Motorwagen, widely regarded as the first car ever produced. In 1926 Daimler-Benz was formed with the merger of Benz & Cie. and Daimler Motoren Gesellschaft.
Little. Three deuces and a four-speed and a 389. Listen to her tachin' up now. You know your car has hit legend territory when it has a song written about it. In this case 'GTO', recorded by Ronny and the Daytonas, which sold over a million and a quarter records in 1964, hitting the number 4 slot on the American charts. Later the song was covered...
In 2007 Automobile Magazine placed the BMW M3 in its list of '5 Greatest Drivers Cars of All-time.' With utter justification: like a street-legal track racer, the BMW M3 5-Speed is truly one of the great cars. The BMW M3 5-Speed has a cult status which is utterly irreplaceable. If you really like to drive, the M3 takes matters even further....
'Widely considered one of the most aesthetically pleasing sports cars of the 1930s, what made the Jaguar SS100 3.5 Litre famous was not only its sheer beauty but also the power implicit in that '100' tag: the Jaguar SS100 was so named because the 3.5 litre version could hit over the magical 100 mph, and tear from 0-60 mph in 10.4 seconds –...
'Exclusivity! I love that word. And here at Beverly Hills Car Club right now I have a classic example of such exclusivity. And it really is classic, like the very definition of a classic car. It is one of only 54 examples ever produced for the US market of a 1993 Porsche 928GTS 5-Speed. So what was its history? Well, this car we have at the...
'Shortly before the outset of World War 2, a German Zeppelin airship was seen prowling along California’s Pacific coastline. Although there had already been a significant hindrance, at the time this was the ultimate in high-end traveling. We don’t have such an airship presently on sale at Beverly Hills Car Club. But we do have a 2010 Maybach...
'Che bella macchina! Or What a beautiful car! as we might say in the English language. The epitome of Italian style.Perfect for the Alfa man – which, of course, you can interpret as you will...Though not in that age, 1969, when the Alfa Romeo Spider 1750 Veloce we presently have at Beverly Hills Car Club was produced, a perfect piece of art....
"Why Missy Elliott’s Car Collection Is Unbelievably Cool! As one of the most successful female rappers, Missy Elliott enjoys a $50 million net worth and her car collection is worth checking out." HotCars has a new piece out that looks at the lofty fleet of luxury cars Missy has amassed in her wonderful collection, like...
"The Beverly Hills Car Club is not your average classic car dealership. In fact, it could be said that they are in the business of selling lifestyles rather than cars. Their team is dedicated to providing their clients with an experience that is luxurious, exciting, and unforgettable. If you have a passion for classic cars, then BHCC is...
'According to a British research firm, Brand Finance, in 2013 Ferrari was the world's #1 recognized brand name. Admittedly that was ten years ago, but I don't imagine the status of Ferrari has slipped one iota, so endlessly enduring is the Ferrari flying horse. Despite assorted efforts to rather consciously bring Ferrari into the modern era,...
'Gale Halderman, who passed away on April 30 2020, had been the last living connection to the once seemingly immortal Ford Mustang design team. He was indeed the primary designer of the original Mustang. Although Lee Iacocca is generally considered the father of the Mustang, he was the driving force behind a team that created the legendary car....
'Britain's First Supercar' was the buzz-phrase tagline for the Aston Martin V8 Vantage when it was first introduced to the public in 1977. Quite specifically, it was placed as an equal to Ferrari and Lamborghini, the Italian supercar makers.
'This beautiful car, a Mercedes-Benz 170V Cabriolet A, is a piece of history. Especially when you look at the year of its birth: 1939! On September 1 that year Europe was plunged into darkness until 1945: Adolf Hitler had invaded Poland, the beginning of World War 2. The USA did not get into that global conflict for just over another two years,...
"When Michael Jordan wasn’t speeding down the lane to show off a flashy dunk, he was cruising around Chicago in a swath of luxury cars. Here’s your look at this former NBA star’s automotive fleet during his famed playing days."
Excited to be mentioned in this U.S. Sun piece looking at some of His Airness's...
'This is such a gorgeous car, and also so exciting. Especially when you learn that there is reason for us to believe that its original owner was none other than Jerry Lewis, that figure in global popular culture once dubbed 'The King of Comedy.' We suspect, but we are not quite certain. So don't hold us up against a wall for that.
'What links some of the most chic and definitively stylish artists in all fields of a certain post-World War 2 age? Let me throw you some names: Pablo Picasso, Ava Gardner, Christian Dior, Herb Alpert, Ringo Starr, Frank Sinatra... Nothing too impressive there, I know...Well, all those world-class stars would drive home in their Facel Vega automobiles,...
'Never been a millionaire And I tell you, mama, I don't care Never gonna own a race-horse. Or a fast back mid-engine Porsche. And so Rod Stewart - always a favourite of ours at Car Tales - opened his fourth solo album, Never a Dull Moment, with the soulful rocker True Blue. Except that when Rod, always a huge car fan, did end up with a Porsche,...
'Quintessentially American, and one of the great and abiding brand names in the USA, the Buick marque started as long ago as 1899, set up by David Dunbar Buick. At Beverly Hills Car Club at the moment we have an example of his heritage, a distinguished 1955 Buick Super Convertible featuring body by Fisher and finished in a beautiful color scheme...
'It was her birthday. Never an early riser and still in her robe - it had been a late one the night before, after all - at some time around noon the beautiful blonde model drew apart the drapes of the elegant west London townhouse she lived in with her rock star husband. And then she gasped! Parked beneath her, an enormous pink ribbon wrapped...
'Wow! I love all the cars that I acquire for sale at Beverly Hills Car Club. But some of them I am absolutely knocked out by. And this is certainly one of them: top of the poppermost, as John Lennon used to say. It is a definitive American classic from 1967: a first generation 1967 Ford Mustang Fastback S-Code that is finished in a gorgeous...
'The quintessential American sports-car, the two-door, two-passenger luxury Chevrolet Corvette, was such an iconic motoring image – so sexy, so stylish, so futuristic, such puissance – that is has become known as 'America's Sports Car.' And it remains one of the most visibly notable cars on the highways of the USA today.
"For $115,000, Will An 8k Mile 1991 Acura NSX Brighten Up The New Year For You? The 1991 Acura NSX has been well-maintained and driven just 8,762 miles since new!" Here's yet another mention from Carscoops.com highlighting an amazing 1991 Acura NSX in our recent inventory here at the Beverly Hills Car Club. Thanks to Car...
'The Maserati Merak took its name from Merak, a member of the Ursa Major Moving Group, a loose stellar association whose members formed in the same molecular cloud and share common velocities and motion through space. Merak's age is approximately 500 million years. In spite of being only the fifth brightest star in Ursa Major, Merak was assigned...
'Excalibur! The name of the magical sword wielded by King Arthur in the English Arthurian romance. We like seasonal references here at Beverly Hills Car Club. And legend has it that Arthur – he of the Knights of the Round Table – won the English throne by pulling a sword from an anvil sitting atop a stone that appeared in a churchyard on...
"This coupe is often sold for less than the Porsche 911 996. It comes powered by a 302-hp V8, but the car’s real selling point is its distinctive body language. The interior is also filled with advanced technology and includes a panoramic roof." Here's Motor Biscuit discussing "Top 10 of the Ultimate Used Grand Tourers...
'The Eckhart Carriage Company was founded in Auburn, Indiana, in 1874, by Charles Eckhart. His two sons moved the company, renamed Auburn, into automobile manufacturing. Auburn was sold in 1925 to Errett Loban Cord, a successful automobile salesman soon to become a mega-industrialist. Almost as soon as he had bought the company in 1925, Cord...
"Here's a roundup of 10 of MJ's most expensive purchases from over the decades, some of which would make even seasoned car collectors green with envy!" Here's a mention from Slashgear.com discussing some of the most recognized of his Airness's car collection, and this Mercedes-Benz S600, customized for him by Lorinser,...
"Few cars get JDM enthusiasts going more than the first-generation Acura NSX and this model from 1994 is one of the cheapest you’re going to find online. This 1994 Acura NSX has been listed up for sale through Beverly Hills Car Club and has a classified ad price of just $58,500. While that’s still quite a lot of money, it’s surprisingly...
"What does the ‘SC’ stand for? It’s simple: Super Carrera. Like the 1978 Porsche 911SC Sunroof Delete Coupe that we have at Beverly Hills Car Club, an excellent original California car in its highly desirable factory colour code 275 (a Light green metallic to you or me)." Hot off the presses issue 223 of Total 911...
"Rolls Royce has always been the icon of success, but we wanted to do something special for Jeffree. We decided to add more ponies under the hood and reimagined the exterior and interior with his pink color. Fully restored and elegantly elevated, this pink beauty is ready to turn some heads."
"Highly influential New York graffiti artist Alec Monopoly is now moving on to bigger things – literally. Because the street artist hinted his upcoming “special” project includes cutting up some real-life, classic Rolls-Royces for a sculpture."
We're pleased to acknowledge our small part in Artist Alec (Andon)...
"Inspired by what Porsche was achieving with forced induction at the race circuit, the classic 911 Turbo proved to be one of the world's most important sports cars and was a huge success for Porsche, not only from a sales perspective, but also in the way it influenced the direction of the brand's later production models…" We're...
"With the layman seeing the 911 and 912 as essentially two flavors of the same model, it made perfect sense for Porsche to introduce a hierarchy to the 911 range, a move which saw a variety of different letters attached to the end of those iconic models. Enter the humble 911 T." We're pleased to mention a new ongoing column...
"The visual impression of the 911 is supreme. In my eyes it’s a subtly evolving piece of art. I’m especially fond of the Porsche 911T Targa, which is a great way to experience the rush of top-off motoring." We're pleased to mention a new ongoing column from Alex Manos, owner of the Beverly Hills Car Club with Total...
"Alex sits down with us and tells us how he got into the business of finding some of the nicest, and sometimes rarest, vehicles on the planet." Alex Manos, owner of the Beverly Hills Car Club, sits down with Mike Musto for this episode of the Hemmings Hot Rod BBQ Podcast. He talks about his dream cars, the 135,000 square...
"What Everyone Should Remember About The BMW Z8. The Z8 remains the coolest and most iconic convertible ever produced by BMW."
HotCars.com published this fun article looking at ten interesting facts about the Z8. If you scroll down to #3 you'll see a Z8 Alpina Roadster recently for sale here at Beverly Hills Car...
What's the Best Way to Sell a Classic Car? Do you have a classic car for sale but aren't sure how to get the best deal for it? Wondering what's the best site to sell a classic car and how to sell online? Our comprehensive guide explains how to prepare to sell a vintage automobile, how to research buyers, and what's the best way to sell a classic...
"If you’re looking to live a bit of the supercar lifestyle without breaking the bank, we’re here to help. Here’s the cheapest Ferrari currently listed for sale in the U.S.!" Cheapest Ferrari for Sale in the US at Beverly Hills Car Club? MotorBiscuit.com looks at the 1985 Mondial Cabriolet, currently the cheapest Ferrari...
"It almost beggars belief that these stunning Italian sports cars were parked and forgotten about." HotCars.com Includes Us In Their "10 Sickest Italian Sports Car Barn Finds" article. Check out the Beverly Hills Car Club classics in this article that looks at a few Diamonds in the Ruff! Thanks to Jason Garbutt...
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W Magazine mentions Beverly Hills Car Club in their recent "7 Black Women in Fashion Share Their Valentine’s Day Gift Ideas" article. Contributor Serena Morris puts this
"Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't let the chilly weather in Southern California keep him from his convertible on Sunday. The bodybuilding icon is a collector of contemporary vintage vehicles, as HotCars noted a number of others he's owned or been pictured in over the years."
A beautiful
"The Porsche 356 is always my answer to people who are looking for a car for vintage rallies that is fun to drive, well-built and reliable, and does not cost tons of money. If I were to go on any vintage rally, the 356 would be my personal choice 10 times out of 10. These cars are really that exceptional." A gleaming1956...
"One day, I will own a Ferrari" - almost every gearhead has said this to themselves at least once in their life, and rightly so. Thankfully, the used market has several Ferrari options that are far more affordable than people think. A Ferrari 612 Scaglietti at Beverly Hills Car Club makes...
"Of all the cars that BMW has built since launching its own branded car in 1932, one of the most beautiful has been the E9 coupes. Built from 1968 through 1975, these stunning GT cars have all the style and elegance you could want, combined with strong performance and a winning reputation on the race track." A new 1974...
"Want a Car That Commands Attention? Think Vintage! Eat your heart out, Tesla. The hottest wheels are at least 40 years old." Alex Manos talks classic cars, Beverly Hills Car Club, and their inventory of 400 vintage cars! “A classic car is like a Rolex and generally holds it's value. But the whole point of having a classic...
"It’s reward enough to reach 100-years-old, but getting a classic Bentley luxury car for your centennial birthday present is icing on the proverbial cake. Especially when its one you used to drive." Great Fox News piece from reporter Gary Gastelu about a Centenarian & his Bentley....
Alex Manos and Beverly Hills Car Club join Hemmings.com as a content partner provider If you love the great content we're making everyday here at Beverly Hills Car Club, many of our top articles, videos, photo galleries & more are now also available in one place at Hemmings.com. We're excited to reach a wider audience...
"Fast-forwarding to my final and purchased vehicle I found online at a dealership called Beverly Hills Car Club in Los Angeles. It sells vintage cars from rolling chassis all the way up to the concours level." ClassicCars.com reminds us that buying that first collector car can be quite a journey! Reader Rob Staple shares...
"Alex Manos and his team at Beverly Hills Car Club have been turning those bedroom wall posters into reality for their customers for years." Hemmings sources Beverly Hills Car Club's Alex Manos to talk about buying and selling classic Porsche. Investigation, inspection, restoration, and documentation. Check out this great...
"As lockdowns continue, I encourage you to go for a drive. Whether that be around your neighborhood or on a meandering cruise down the PCH, take the time to get off your couch and into your car. Turn the music up loud, roll your windows down, and create your own bubble of nostalgia." Alex Manos guest blogs for Daily Grit...
"My father taught me when I was a young boy, ‘why do tomorrow what you can do today?’ And I think that is really the takeaway from this year. If there was a car you have been looking to buy, now is the time, and if you’ve been sitting on a car for a long time, now is the time to sell it." Oldcarsweekly.com sits down...
"Beverly Hills Car Club: The Most Exclusive way to Get Around" LuxuryTravelMagazine.com gets a few quotes from owner Alex Manos along with some recent press and other write-ups to describe the dealership to their audience. For more about Alex's history and the story of Beverly Hills Car Club, check out this great review....
Check out our segment on Bravo TV's Real Housewives of Beverly Hills featuring Beverly Hills Car Club and owner Alex Manos showing the ladies some of our great classic cars for sale, including a beautiful 1966 Powder Blue Jaguar XKE. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills - Season 10 Episode 20. (September...
"Pick of the Day: 1966 Karmann Ghia as VW sports car marks 65 years" We made the Classic Cars Journal "Pick of the Week" with this 1966 Karmann Ghia! Check out the review and photos of this beautiful 1966 Volkswagen Karmann Ghia convertible - in Aero Silver with a black interior and updated with a 1,600cc VW dual-port engine....
"Whether you’re a high-profile celebrity looking for a new set of wheels or simply a lover of luxe cars, Alex Manos and the Beverly Hills Car Club offer an extensive showroom of classic vehicles that are sure to get your motor running." Check out this interview with Alex and photos of some recent cars in our inventory;...
Wow, we've received an enormous amount of press and publicity about this car! Here's a recent write-up in basketballnetwork.net, as check all these earlier publications...
For James Bond buffs, TMZ.com mentions this 1992 Lamborghini Diablo for sale from the film 'Die Another Day' with Pierce Brosnan and Halle Berry. "The classic car features a timeless signature color combination of Diablo Rosso and eye-catching Nero leather and red piping interior. The Lambo features a 5-speed manual transmission, 5.7-liter engine, power...
We love passing on a great deal to our clients, like recently this beautiful 1st Gen Acura NSX! "The first-generation Acura / Honda NSX is widely regarded as one of the finest sports cars to ever come out of Japan and an incredibly cheap example has just come across our radar." Thanks to Brad Anderson at Carscoops.com (June 3 2020)...
It seems like just yesterday we were enjoying the sunny winter weather here in Los Angeles, busy foot traffic at our showroom checking out the latest inventory, moving, shaking, "handshaking" over dream car deals and sales! Fast-forward a few weeks and my how times have changed! With the Black Swan event...
"We love a good barn find here at Road & Track, and this is about as cool as it gets." California car, zero...
"This 1961 Ferrari 250 GTE Spent Decades Hidden in a Garage. Now It’s Up for Sale." This is the story of a true barn...
Check out these beautiful Cars In The Metallica Garage with a mention of Beverly Hills Car Club and a magnificent 1968 Jaguar XKE 1.5 2+2...